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you have jack welch who euned to own nbc, the majority owner. he said this is unbelievable. the chicago guys will do anything to change the numbers. let's take a look at welch mareking his roumts and some at fox news picking up on the idea that they can't be trusted. >> look. i don't know what the right number is, but i'll tell you these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> there is widespread mistrust because there are contradictions. >> some report there are numbers that will come out on the eve of the election. >> you know, these are volatile figures and sometimes have to be revised. but to go and charge that the administration had manipulated this for political gain, don't you need some evidence for that? >> think it's unfortunate that jack welch who has this storied business career now appears to be stark raving mad in the donald trump category and i think this reaction is what it should have been even from a lot of people on the right and said, now, come on, you can argue about certain things but if they wanted to cook the b
you have jack welch who euned to own nbc, the majority owner. he said this is unbelievable. the chicago guys will do anything to change the numbers. let's take a look at welch mareking his roumts and some at fox news picking up on the idea that they can't be trusted. >> look. i don't know what the right number is, but i'll tell you these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> there is widespread mistrust because there are contradictions....
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. >> jack welch. >> jack welch say they were fixed or something? >> he said definitely those guys from chicago they can't debate so they're cooking the books. >> bill: do you take that seriously? >> no. i do not take it seriously. i have to say jack welch gave us a good laugh because he he was serious. >> bill: welch believes these are bogus numbers? >> that's what he said. it's the kind of nonsense what's really book here. 50,000 they survey the establishment survey it's called services and government is about 150,000 there is a lot of volatility. people going around saying this hasn't happened in 30 years. >> bill: in your opinion though, there are more jobs being added pushed from full time into part time. they are younger, less educated. unskilled. lower paying. >> if you are working part time you come off the unemployment rolls, that goes into the unemployment rate. that's a legitimate thing to talk about this is important. 14.7% unemployment when you include the marginally attached to the workforce. that is precisely the same number as the pr
. >> jack welch. >> jack welch say they were fixed or something? >> he said definitely those guys from chicago they can't debate so they're cooking the books. >> bill: do you take that seriously? >> no. i do not take it seriously. i have to say jack welch gave us a good laugh because he he was serious. >> bill: welch believes these are bogus numbers? >> that's what he said. it's the kind of nonsense what's really book here. 50,000 they survey the...
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. >> jack welch tweeting this just moments after the release of today's job report. quote, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will doing anything. can't debate. so change the numbers." >> jon: if legendary former ceo of general electric is alleging dishonesty to the bureau of labor statistics, you can sure he's got hard core evidence >> i have no evidence to prove that. >> jon: okay. but isn't his certainty despite his lack of evidence his own kind of evidence? >> i know this. this economy doesn't feel like the employment improved to this level >> these numbers don't smell right >> jon: they don't feel right. they don't smell right. that's two of the five senses. jack, how does this jobs report taste? that was our only copy. we don't have any real evidence. how about if you present your lack of evidence >> maybe it's a coincidence. that the month before the election we have a number that comes out one tenth below when the president took office. from an ideologue division of the federal government. i don't have any idea how they do it. they're filled with a
. >> jack welch tweeting this just moments after the release of today's job report. quote, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will doing anything. can't debate. so change the numbers." >> jon: if legendary former ceo of general electric is alleging dishonesty to the bureau of labor statistics, you can sure he's got hard core evidence >> i have no evidence to prove that. >> jon: okay. but isn't his certainty despite his lack of evidence his own kind of...
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do you stand by this comment from jack welch? do you think that the white house cooked the numbers in the jobs report? >> well look, we're just going to talk about the facts. there's 23 million americans who are unemployed. they're either looking for a job, they are giving up or underemployed. if we just look at the numbers and take that for what it's worth, and i don't know that we have to say much more about whether the numbers have been cooked or not. >> the numbers are also 7.8% unemployment the lowest since president obama was inaugurated, correct? >> well, let's take a look at those numbers and take a little deeper look and say, for those who are not looking for a job any longer, they're not in the work place. they're not in the work participation. if you were to add those to those numbers, we'd have about 11% unemployment. look, one month of these numbers -- >> that includes people who are retired, correct? >> but let's look at those numbers a little closer again, we're looking at 43 state months of unemployment above 8%.
do you stand by this comment from jack welch? do you think that the white house cooked the numbers in the jobs report? >> well look, we're just going to talk about the facts. there's 23 million americans who are unemployed. they're either looking for a job, they are giving up or underemployed. if we just look at the numbers and take that for what it's worth, and i don't know that we have to say much more about whether the numbers have been cooked or not. >> the numbers are also 7.8%...
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now as far as jack welch is concerned, you're all sitting around talking about jack welch, a great legend in business, a very smart guy, he's 100% correct, 100% correct. >> wait a second, in terms of the chicago political guys manipulating the numbers? >> how does it go down to 7? there wasn't an economist in the country and after the election they'll do a big correction but jack welch has it right, there's no question 100% and a lot of the numbers that they're using are given by the obama administration. >> i know ken has a question for you, but my only thought on this whole thing is, i don't know that i buy that 7.8% number. i don't think that's real. i don't know that it was politics necessarily. >> nobody buys it. >> he's saying it's the numbers given to the bls by the obama administration. there's a lot of assumptions. obama care, the cbo, you can't impugn the cbo for coming up with $1 trillion for obama care. it was the numbers they got, double counting taxes, all of these bells and whistles in obama care to get it to work out. >> right. >> hold on. for the past year one of the talk
now as far as jack welch is concerned, you're all sitting around talking about jack welch, a great legend in business, a very smart guy, he's 100% correct, 100% correct. >> wait a second, in terms of the chicago political guys manipulating the numbers? >> how does it go down to 7? there wasn't an economist in the country and after the election they'll do a big correction but jack welch has it right, there's no question 100% and a lot of the numbers that they're using are given by...
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and later in the program, jack welch, what a clown. now they've got a new conspiracy theory. >> do you want to take that back? >> no, i don't want to take back one (vo) what is said here could decide the election. current tv presents coverage of the vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >> so keep on tweeting and maybe you'll have your voice be part of this democracy and see your tweets up on our screen. >>now that's politically direct. tell them it's like being nestled in an eight-way, adjustable, heated and ventilated seat surrounded by a 500-watt sound system while floating on a suspension made of billowy clouds. or you could just hand them your keys. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ dennis' voice ] i bet he's got an allstate agent. they can save you up to 30% more by bundling your policies. well his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the
and later in the program, jack welch, what a clown. now they've got a new conspiracy theory. >> do you want to take that back? >> no, i don't want to take back one (vo) what is said here could decide the election. current tv presents coverage of the vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like...
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and later in the program, jack welch, what a clown. now they've got a new conspiracy theory. >> do you want to take that back? >> no, i don't want to take back one word in that tweet. vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >> so keep on tweeting and maybe you'll have your voice be part of this democracy and see your tweets up on our screen. >>now that's politically direct. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ nah, he's probably got... [ dennis' voice ] allstate. they can bundle all your policies together. lot of paperwork. actually... [ dennis' voice ] an allstate agent can help do the switching and paperwork for you. well, it probably costs a lot. [ dennis' voice ] allstate can save you up to 30% more when you bundle. well, his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the world's smartest breeds. ♪ ♪ bundle and save with an allstate agent. are you in
and later in the program, jack welch, what a clown. now they've got a new conspiracy theory. >> do you want to take that back? >> no, i don't want to take back one word in that tweet. vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >> so keep on tweeting and maybe you'll have your voice...
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>>> former ceo jack welch was the first to say there was a conspiracy with the jobs report. he claimed the chicago guys fiddled with the numbers but that didn't stop him from doubling down. >> i know these numbers are gathered by a series of wild assumptions. maybe they weren't right at 8.5, at 8.4. but it seems coincidental that one month before the election they would end up at 7.8. i don't want to take back one word of that tweet. >> remind you of anything? we'll discuss the first cousin of the birther movement, the jobbers. and a look at america's trust issues next on "now." [ female announcer ] most whitening strips promise full whitening results in two weeks or more. rembrandt® deeply white™ 2 hour whitening kit is proven to quickly remove surface stains and deep stains in just two hours. [ female announcer ] rembrandt® deeply white™: whiten in just 2 hours. >>> shortly after the bureau of labor statistics released the monthly jobs report friday showing the unemployment rate dropping to 7.8% former ge ceo got the jobber conspiracy theory going with a tweet sugges
>>> former ceo jack welch was the first to say there was a conspiracy with the jobs report. he claimed the chicago guys fiddled with the numbers but that didn't stop him from doubling down. >> i know these numbers are gathered by a series of wild assumptions. maybe they weren't right at 8.5, at 8.4. but it seems coincidental that one month before the election they would end up at 7.8. i don't want to take back one word of that tweet. >> remind you of anything? we'll discuss...
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. >> hold on, let me finish, you've been going on and on and let me just tell you jack welch comes out today and twittering, these are bogus numbers, made up numbers. this is just so political. >> okay. >> and then, more evidence that people don't want to believe reality and by the way, let me just tell you something. >> where-- >> juan-- hold on. >> the economy has been going on and on. and added jobs now for 30 straight months that's a trajectory. >> juan, is there any question in your mind that the department of labor, the national labor relations board partisan and ideological-- >> partisan-- >> no, they're not partisan and nobody who is in the business has ever said these are partisan people. these numbers would be coming out, let me ask you that, if it was so political why did these conspiracy-minded people wait till now, better if they did it several months ago. >> if the unemployment number is so important to jobs, to various campaigns, isn't it smart to have obama donors in as economists in the department of labor statistics? >> and let me tell you, there's no law against givi
. >> hold on, let me finish, you've been going on and on and let me just tell you jack welch comes out today and twittering, these are bogus numbers, made up numbers. this is just so political. >> okay. >> and then, more evidence that people don't want to believe reality and by the way, let me just tell you something. >> where-- >> juan-- hold on. >> the economy has been going on and on. and added jobs now for 30 straight months that's a trajectory. >>...
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jack welch, the former ceo of general electric as you just mentioned on squawk out on twitter today. he's been obviously critical of the white house for years now, but he says unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. that's the former head of a very large company. >> i'm on tv, and i remember jack sent me a fax when i was first on with mark haynes. i like you. i love jack. i'm trying to reconcile jack with the numbers because i trust jack and think he's terrific. i come back and say listen, they've been wrong -- he's jack. i don't think that they're phony. it doesn't make me feel that jack is off the reservation so much that i think that this particular issue -- i disagree with him. i read the tweet and i was, darn, jack, come on, man. >> let's say good is good. >> does this mark the turning point and we had david come out this morning where he was establishing 1575 and that's quite an upside for 2013 particularly if he's standing by a year-
jack welch, the former ceo of general electric as you just mentioned on squawk out on twitter today. he's been obviously critical of the white house for years now, but he says unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. that's the former head of a very large company. >> i'm on tv, and i remember jack sent me a fax when i was first on with mark haynes. i like you. i love jack. i'm trying to reconcile jack with the numbers because i trust...
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. -- >> jack welch! he said, the guys from chicago can't debate so they are cooking the books. >> do you take that seriously? >> no. but he gave us a good laugh because apparently, he was serious. >> he believes -- >> i think -- >> he believes that they are bogus numbers. >> it's when he said. it's the kind of nonsense eye mean, the last thing -- anyone should be looking at in these numbers is somebody cooking the books. what is really at work here, there are two survey, one of 50,000, they survey the businesses and they survey the households. the establishment survey as it's called of businesses and government is about 150,000. and the survey of households is about 50,000. so there is a lots of volatility. there are people saying, this hasn't happened in 30 years -- nonsense. e >> in your opinion, there are more jobs being added. but most of these jobs are part-time jobs itch they are part-timions, people who have been pushed from full time into part time. they're younger, less educated and unskilled so
. -- >> jack welch! he said, the guys from chicago can't debate so they are cooking the books. >> do you take that seriously? >> no. but he gave us a good laugh because apparently, he was serious. >> he believes -- >> i think -- >> he believes that they are bogus numbers. >> it's when he said. it's the kind of nonsense eye mean, the last thing -- anyone should be looking at in these numbers is somebody cooking the books. what is really at work here,...
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welch. what does it say about partisanship in the country? >> it says that it starts to rot people's brains. the theory is just -- we need a good name for this. i nominate job nutters. but this really is ridiculous. this is -- first things first, this is good news for the country. and, yes, it benefits the president because it adds to argument. it takes away the argument that unemployment rate's been over 8%. it's a positive sign for the country. and frankly, it gives the president a boost in the wake of a terrible debate performance. but bottom line, it's a sign that the trend is moving away from the debt sweep we've dealt with. >> let me pick up on that. some democrats are saying what debate? how much of a boost does it really give the president, given the lackluster nature of his performance the other night? >> it doesn't give the president a do-over. he had a lousily first debate. that hurts. it's not determinative. the economy's issue number one. this is a boost. it helps change the top
welch. what does it say about partisanship in the country? >> it says that it starts to rot people's brains. the theory is just -- we need a good name for this. i nominate job nutters. but this really is ridiculous. this is -- first things first, this is good news for the country. and, yes, it benefits the president because it adds to argument. it takes away the argument that unemployment rate's been over 8%. it's a positive sign for the country. and frankly, it gives the president a...
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jack welch took a look at these numbers. remember, thereof a surge in employment like we haven't seen in 30 years that was announced on friday. jack welch says, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers. do you think they changed the numbers? >> i do. i do. and i think that they did a lot of those -- a lot of monkey business. i'm telling you n a month and a half from now, they will do a readjustment like has been happening for the last year and a half. they will do a readjustment and the number will be 8.2 or more. again, the 8.2, it's not a real number because people that are out of work aren't considered unemployed. >> steve: we get that. but if you're making the allegation that this administration is monkeying with the numbers to make them look good, that is very damning. >> everyone knows he didn't want to lay off certain workers in certain categories and that's been well documented and well reported that he didn't want to lay off certain workers in certain categories
jack welch took a look at these numbers. remember, thereof a surge in employment like we haven't seen in 30 years that was announced on friday. jack welch says, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers. do you think they changed the numbers? >> i do. i do. and i think that they did a lot of those -- a lot of monkey business. i'm telling you n a month and a half from now, they will do a readjustment like has been happening for the last...
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doug we talked about a tweet from jack welch. did that ignite the controversy? >>reporter: the recovery surrounding friday's release of the unemployment numbers continues to swirl after jack welch, the respected former c.e.o. of g.e. treated "unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? change numbers." facing criticism if the tweet he stuck by the criticism of the numbers. >> this number is made up of a whole mess of assumptions: who is participating, who is not working, who is trying for work, who has dropped out. it just begs the question. i think there ought to be a good discussion how this number is calculated. >>reporter: most analysts and the obama campaign are dismanage the criticisms as "without evidence." >> we wonder why institutions in this country are, the perception of institutions are failing, because people go on tv and make sufficient h stuff -- make stuff up. >> they had full charge of the first two years and the policies this president put into place actually made it worse, including the fact that obamacare is ta
doug we talked about a tweet from jack welch. did that ignite the controversy? >>reporter: the recovery surrounding friday's release of the unemployment numbers continues to swirl after jack welch, the respected former c.e.o. of g.e. treated "unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? change numbers." facing criticism if the tweet he stuck by the criticism of the numbers. >> this number is made up of a whole mess of assumptions: who is...
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instead of acknowledging the positive news, jack welch led a group of lesser lights saying the numbers must have been manipulated by the obama administration and that the unemployment rate couldn't really be below 8%. jon stewart weighed in. >> it's got to be corrupt political manipulation of the official statistics. what else would explain why after unemployment has been steadily declining for the last year that now suddenly right before the election it declines a little more? please. >> a lot of people are saying that the government's cooking the books here. >> i'll tell you these guys are saying they feel like they cooked the books. >> look, i got to say, if you're cooking the books, 7.8% unemployment is a [ bleep ] recipe. it's like the radish stew of jobless numbers. if you're cooking, make a nice jambalaya, something nice for people. unemployment is 2.6%. everybody, now we're getting -- >> enough said. with the election just weeks away, positive news about the economy ignites desperation among angry republicans. >>> last time i told you about republican congressman paul broun, th
instead of acknowledging the positive news, jack welch led a group of lesser lights saying the numbers must have been manipulated by the obama administration and that the unemployment rate couldn't really be below 8%. jon stewart weighed in. >> it's got to be corrupt political manipulation of the official statistics. what else would explain why after unemployment has been steadily declining for the last year that now suddenly right before the election it declines a little more? please....
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>> i think the jack welch stuff was crazy talk. and earlier in the year when you guys were down in washington on this, joe and i talked about it, there were between points that i would make. one, nobody messes or manipulates these numbers. but, took i think we exaggerate the importance of the numbers for this reason. the people who will vote on november the 6th know what they feel about the economy already. they're living it every day. so because there's a headline that says 7.8, it's a talking point, but they already know what their friends and neighbors are doing. >> when do we find out how romney is fun raising compared to that 180 million or whatever? >> i think if it was so par with obama's, we would have heard already. i think it's probably behind. >> you don't hear that that's unbecoming to have so much money to spend. just don't hear -- it's alway s the republicans. >> it's not decided by money. nice to have, but there is saturation information for the small number of swing voters. and even if obama beat romney by 20, 30 mi
>> i think the jack welch stuff was crazy talk. and earlier in the year when you guys were down in washington on this, joe and i talked about it, there were between points that i would make. one, nobody messes or manipulates these numbers. but, took i think we exaggerate the importance of the numbers for this reason. the people who will vote on november the 6th know what they feel about the economy already. they're living it every day. so because there's a headline that says 7.8, it's a...
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. >> peter: and interesting 7.8% number, economists and jack welch, where did this come from, the raw numbers put out and a disconnect. >> clayton: we have to look the at revised numbers a few months later and maybe find out in december what the true number was or were in september. but we have new numbers out of ohio. the all important battle ground state of ohio where president obama has been leading significantly there. in recent polls, well not significantly, but 5 or 4 points accord to go what karl rove was talking about, 49-50%. and looking at virginia, and there mitt romney has pulled ahead of president obama 49-48% within the mar begin of error, but definitely experiencing a debate bounce. and speaking of which, let's talk about the money they have been able to raise because this plays into how people are feeling after the debate as well. in just the 48 hours since the debate, mitt romney has been able to raise 12 million dollars online and just staggering numbers. >> peter: at the same time, the president announced that they raised 181 million dollars in september, about 1.8
. >> peter: and interesting 7.8% number, economists and jack welch, where did this come from, the raw numbers put out and a disconnect. >> clayton: we have to look the at revised numbers a few months later and maybe find out in december what the true number was or were in september. but we have new numbers out of ohio. the all important battle ground state of ohio where president obama has been leading significantly there. in recent polls, well not significantly, but 5 or 4 points...